A droite, Mbusa Nyamwisi, candidat à la présidentielle 2011, lors d’une interview accordée à la Radio Okapi. Ph. John Bompengo

Shocking Interview of Mr Antipas Mbusa Nyamwisi


Malighe Luholo
13 Jul at 2:55 AM


Redacteur Jacques Vithi

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Shocking Interview of Mr Antipas Mbusa Nyamwisi

Blo: Good morning Mr. Antipas Mbusa Nyamwisi.

Mb: Hello Madam Brigitte,

Blo: First of all, what is the reason for your silence on the Congolese political scene? How are you and where do you live?

Mb: I am not so silent as you say, it is rather you who do not follow me. This being the case, as a politician, I mainly intervene on matters of great importance that directly affect the interests of the DRC, the Congolese men and women, and I plead constantly and wherever the opportunity allows me in favor of our nation. But I am convinced that those who govern us have become deaf and blind in the face of blatant evidences. As for myself, I am well enough to be able to respond with aplomb, with other patriots, to the call of distress of our population in different corners of the Republic. Fundamental contradictions with the regime in place, as for the management of the State, forced me to elect domicile outside the national territory. This is an opportunity for me to thank the CENCO and the political opponents who, in view of the correctness of my opinions, felt it was time for me to return to the country under the terms of the The New Year’s Eve, which unfortunately is overwhelmed by power.

Blo: We have recently seen the resurgence of militias in eastern DRC (North Kivu, Beni Lubero, Rutshuru, Ituri …) creating a situation of generalized panic and confusion. What do you read of the latter?

Mb: I would like to borrow your own terms while nuancing them: You say situation of panic, I would rather talk about chaotic, with regard to the distress of many populations delivered to death. As for the confusion, I see it rather maintained without a shadow of a doubt by the power in place, which behaves almost in a mafia and criminal organization.

Blo: The southwestern part of the Territory of Lubero is almost entirely occupied by militias coming from Walikale and Masisi called Nduma Defense of Congo. In your opinion, who are these militias and why are not the FARDC able to eradicate them?

Mb: You come here to touch the sad truth that pinpoints the monstrous connections between these pseudo militia groups and the power of Kabila. How can one explain that all these armed bands, except to be in tune with the regime, can not be neutralized by our FARDC, which are considerably equipped. In any case, it is a secret that the maintenance of chaos appears to be a characteristic feature of the regime so as not to provide adequate answers to the questions of funds: the organization of the elections within the constitutional deadline; Democratic alternation and the socio-economic preoccupations of the populations, … If not how to explain that there are so many massacres in the country without awakening consciousness of the rulers? Can there be another explanation?

Blo: You yourself are from Beni, how do you explain the recent attacks on the Beni Prison and the instability in the outskirts of Beni, when we can see a strong presence of the FARDC troops?

Mb: Beni is my city, which gives enough credibility to my remarks. For the record, it is since September 2014 that appalling massacres are perpetrated in the region, pushing us to an unprecedented deployment in terms of communication to attract the attention of the international community. Since this was not enough for the sponsors, they organized this invasion to distract the attention of the public in order to justify the new approach of the chaos that they maintain in this corner and probably to find by this case the opportunity of Make some big arms escape for the accomplishment of their dirty work.

Blo: How do you understand this phenomenon of broken prisons in every corner of the Republic?

Mb: A strange phenomenon, at first glance explained by the widespread ras-le-bol of the Congolese before the blatant mingling of all our institutions and, in this case, the detention of detainees under inhumane conditions of insalubrity, inconvenience etc. My deep conviction would tend to the persistence of a project of internal destabilization of our country by its leaders, opening the breach on the hypothesis of a production of the laboratories of the regime.

Blo: Benilubero.com in its latest release published an article on the Balkanization plan for eastern DRC, whose names had been pinned to Lafontaine Sikuli, Kakolele Bwambale, Deogracias Bugera and Bisambaza Richard. Quoted by Mr Poley Siwako, what do you say?

Mb: Here, two things must be dissociated: Some of the actors whose names mentioned above and others not mentioned are actually involved in a certain way with those operations directly linked to the Kinshasa regime. As for my name, quoted by this person, I will simply say, as far as I can be known, that it is pure distraction. Having been the precursor of the momentum of the reunification of our country in the recent past, fighting any plan of balkanization, you will not imagine for a moment that I am the one who would pass the evil …. Be serious !!!
The malicious use of my name in this trick is the result of a calculated recruitment process; I appeal to the youth not to fall into the trap hatched by the enemies of the Nation, in spite of their legitimate exasperations towards a failing and enduring power.
The paradox in this case is that for six years I have been in exile, I have systematically tried to discourage any attempt to recruit and enlist armed groups by the agents of power. Other illustrations: As for Kakolele, I have broken with him for more than 10 years, I saw him for the last time at the official residence of the Head of State after the filing of my letter of Resignation, in September 2011. As for Deogracias Bugera, I wanted first to clarify that he is my friend and, therefore, I have other channels to give him a point of view on one or the other question concerning the life of the nation.

Blo: Regarding insecurity in eastern DRC, some mouths suspect a black hand of Rwanda and Uganda. What exactly is happening and what are the political, military and diplomatic solutions?

Mb: The solutions are both endogenous and exogenous. Indeed, we must acknowledge that it was indeed in the DRC that the first African world war took place, which involved several countries, including those to which you are referring. However, it should be recognized that the real black hand that needs to feed on this situation is the power of Kinshasa, multiplying the conditions of implosion. We must learn to learn from our mistakes of the past in order to undertake a new regional dynamic, as projected through the International Conference of the Great Lakes Countries, which will protect us from the resurgence of these unfortunate events. All this is possible only if the Congolese leaders cease to be the instigators or actors in this disorder. I am convinced that all these years have enabled the leaders of the region to take part in the process of stability and regional development.

Blo: Let’s talk about the crimes and the mass graves in Kasai and the massacres in Beni, do you see a similarity and what comments?

Mb: Yes, I see a similarity in the cruelty of the operating mode, and this, in a successive and constant way, leaving room for the only possible hypothesis according to which the sponsor would be the same, beyond the different names according to the zones: Slaughterers in Beni, Kamwina Nsapu in Kasai and Kata Katanga in Katanga, and maybe soon others elsewhere. All in a permanent denial of authority, coupled with an effort to blame the victims and / or political opponents.

Blo: Mr Antipas, let us now talk about Congolese politics, today the Congolese opposition is weakened, disarticulated. What reading do you have of all this and what suggestions?

Mb: The realization of the weakening of the Congolese opposition is real and certainly linked to two major contingencies. Mainly the death of the patriarch of the opposition in the person of Etienne Tshisekedi Wa Mulumba, who left the orphan opposition, and also the organized debauchery of some opponents, by the power, using public means and attraction Of posts in the institutions in defiance of the spirit and the letter of the agreement of the New Year’s Eve. This opens up the opportunity for the reorganization of the opposition around the main principles on which it bases its vision and enacts the rules of moralization of political life in the DRC.

Blo: Who is the leader of the Congolese opposition today, Moise Katumbi or Felix Tshisekedi?

Mb: Here is not the place to oppose them to each other, but rather the occasion to congratulate them all for the leadership incarnated during these last months, in favor of the cohesion of the opposition. At this point Felix Tshisekedi is the chairman of the opposition rally and I would like to appeal here to strengthen cohesion within the opposition in order to achieve the noble ambition of democratic alternation in our country.

Blo: Do you believe that the agreement of 31 December 2016 will still be valid six months later?

Mb: Obviously, in view of the circumvention by the power in place, of the recommendations of the Holy Sylvester, we have moved away from the validity of this agreement.

Blo: You are a member of the Rally, Moses Katumbi is today your candidate in the presidential elections? Do you believe that with Kabila we will have the elections before December 2017 as provided for in this agreement?

Mb: President Kabila, trampling on the agreement of the New Year’s Eve, the result of a political consensus and the relevant resolution of the United Nations Security Council, which conferred a certain legitimacy on him during this pre-electoral period, he (Joseph Kabila) had just disqualified himself. This propensity to systematize constitutional rape, and the outrageously catastrophic record of its 15 years of power, are not likely to argue for its maintenance in power.

Blo: We see a forceful entry into the political arena of a newcomer, previously unknown in the person of Mr SINDIKA DOKOLO, what is your opinion on this subject and what is your relationship with him?

Mb: It was with great joy that I welcomed this news and invited other compatriots to do the same. Mr. Sindika Dokolo is a son of this country, a brother with whom I maintain quite fraternal relations.

Blo: According to some Congolese political actors, President Kabila seems to have defied the proper application of our constitution; Hence, they would advocate the use of force in terms of Article 64 of the Constitution. What do you think ?

Mb: Finally, I agree with many of the political actors who think that recourse to Article 64 becomes inevitable. Moreover, CENCO, whose first culture was the search for a peaceful solution, had just joined this option and appealed to the people for self-support.

Blo: Recently a great leader Hema (Chief Kahwa Panga Mandro), in his message on the occasion of the 57th anniversary of the Independence of the DRC, called for unity among peoples Hema, Ngiti, Lendu, Nande … Did you welcome this message as a political leader?

Mb: This message from Grand Chief Kahwa Panga Mandro was marked with great solemnity and responsibility as we witnessed an escape of responsibility at the highest level of the state. I would like to inform you that I did not hesitate to call him to congratulate him. I appeal to others to follow suit, because they are convinced that only these kinds of calls to citizenship are likely to defend the nation against multiple attempts to oppose ethnic groups against each other, Hoping to perpetuate a failing power.

Blo. Your last word, Mr Antipas Mbusa Nyamwisi.

Mb: In the face of this ignominious injustice suffered by our peoples, owing to the bulimia of one man and his corrupt clique, who regard our country as a place of predation and spoils of war; My final word would be to sympathize with my people, inviting them to resistance in order to make their ambition triumph over real democratic aspiration and alternation, for a common project of real development of our country. « We can stop the invasion of even the most ferocious animals, but we can not stop an idea whose moment has come » and here it is that of art.

Blo: Thank you Mr Antipas Mbusa for giving us your time.

Mb: Thank you.

By the editor BLO


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